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will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy and the applause by, again, members of his household and he is giving them his blessing and you see on his right hand, the fisherman's ring, it is cast for each and every pope, and when they cease to be pope, as he will at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, and you see that traditional kissing of the ring, it will be taken and a silver hammer will be taken to it and it will be destroyed because that is also the papal seal. so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the gro
will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy...
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. >> as you mentioned, john paul ii changed the game with the language skill. now we take it for granted that the pope should speak seven or eight languages. this man here, joseph ratzinger, is also an extraordinary linguist. we've become accustomed to it with john paul and with benedict. now it's pretty much expected of him. i think that's right what liz said about him, the father quality of the pope. that's a great advantage to have. >> and as you also look at him -- and he looks like an 85-year-old man, and you realize the stress that must have been on him, certainly in the run-up to this and the decision that he finally decided to make. but just the wear and tear of preparing. we know that yesterday he had something of a down day. there's packing to be done. there are papers to be gone through. there are decisions to be made. and he will be going to castel gandolfo, which is the summer residence of the pope, where he will stay until a more permanent residence is finished. they have been doing renovations on the old monastery on the grounds of the vatican. h
. >> as you mentioned, john paul ii changed the game with the language skill. now we take it for granted that the pope should speak seven or eight languages. this man here, joseph ratzinger, is also an extraordinary linguist. we've become accustomed to it with john paul and with benedict. now it's pretty much expected of him. i think that's right what liz said about him, the father quality of the pope. that's a great advantage to have. >> and as you also look at him -- and he looks...
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john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last statement to the church. i'm not leaving you. and thank you for not leaving me. >> we heard the loud applause there, the pope was delivering the message in spanish, the church has seen growth in latin america, seen growth in africa, leading to questions, father, about his success so, whether it could be someone who is from africa, from latin america, maybe even dare we say, north america. >> could well be. the church certainly has shifted, as you say, it's suffering in western europe, yet there are 61 cardinals from europe. the college of cardinals th
john paul ii made a conscience decision to die in public. not to say look at me, look at me conforming myself to the passion and death and resurrection of jesus christ. benedict xvi has made a decision that the church needs something that he cannot give so he should get out of the way. he should retire into the background. that, as ann just indicated and liz mentioned and i mentioned and he mentioned, is another way to bear the cross of christ. and i think it was a very strikingly personal last...
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he asked pope john paul ii, once not if twice, if he could retire and john paul ii would not let him do that. he wanted to go back to bavaria and live with his brother. he wanted to go back to what he loves which is reading and writing. john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because that crowd was filled with enthusiasm and energy yesterday. you know, you have seen when he met with some priests here in rome about a week ago, he was supposed to deliver a speech about the second vatican -- vatican ii, he was there at the time, that happened 50 years ago. he said no, i can't do that because of my advanced age. 85 has become his excuse to be more
he asked pope john paul ii, once not if twice, if he could retire and john paul ii would not let him do that. he wanted to go back to bavaria and live with his brother. he wanted to go back to what he loves which is reading and writing. john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his...
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when we were here in 2005, for the death of john paul ii, we had been hearing for years about child sex abuse. for a long time they thought it was just an american problem that was fuel bid the american media. you have seen a great change in attitude, i think from 2005 to 2013. they know there are problems in the church, they know they must be addressed and you can't just blame it on the media anymore. they have to take responsibility because they are losing particularly in western europe, an the u.s., they are losing the core of their church and they need to get it back and they need to find a man who can communicate to the younger generation, i spoke to cardinal donald whirl yesterday as the archbishop of washington, d.c., who said we need to find someone who can package our message, repackage our message to make it resonate with younger catholics today and that's going to be a big challenge. >> pope benedict has spoken just yesterday about the difficulties. he said there were many good days of sunshine, but stormy waters sometimes as if god were sleeping and certainly the sex abuse c
when we were here in 2005, for the death of john paul ii, we had been hearing for years about child sex abuse. for a long time they thought it was just an american problem that was fuel bid the american media. you have seen a great change in attitude, i think from 2005 to 2013. they know there are problems in the church, they know they must be addressed and you can't just blame it on the media anymore. they have to take responsibility because they are losing particularly in western europe, an...
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there he reminds you very much of john paul ii. he's also a salpesian. so he's very involved in education. he knows in latin america world. an impressive man with a wide-ranging experience and a very fine mine mind. so ouellet is a major player, i would say. >> there is some speculation, as well, about cardinal timothy dolan from new york. now, he's a very new cardinal, but he has a way about him that a lot of people find very engaging, in a time when, of course, a lot of people believe the church needs to reengage, the way pope john paul ii did. what do you think the realistic chances are for cardinal dolan? >> i think realistically, they're slim. i'm a big dolan fan. he catches that spirit, you know, of john paul ii, the outreach to the wider world. i think in himself, he's an extraordinary strong candidate. i think his being an american would tell very much against him. i doubt they'd give the papacy to, you know, an american that the lone superpower in the world. but, you know, he's an impressive character. and i think he would bring an awful lot to
there he reminds you very much of john paul ii. he's also a salpesian. so he's very involved in education. he knows in latin america world. an impressive man with a wide-ranging experience and a very fine mine mind. so ouellet is a major player, i would say. >> there is some speculation, as well, about cardinal timothy dolan from new york. now, he's a very new cardinal, but he has a way about him that a lot of people find very engaging, in a time when, of course, a lot of people believe...
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>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >> father, this will kick off sort of the ultimate insider political battle if you will. i can think of nothing less than transparent of the election. it's a cardinal sin to discuss it an they're told i guess going to hell to talk about what happens in that room. >> wow. >> i wonder if you could just take for sort of the laymen and women out there for the process. what is going to unfold in the week and months ahead to elect a new pope? >> of course, this is very unusual. we are not dealing with the death of a pope followed by a period of mourning and a number offer is moans and masses that
>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >>...
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paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith is a man of conscious. if you read the statement that he made today at the consistery he said he prayed over this and he had come to the view that he could no longer give the church the service it required and tlf as may 28th, at 8:00 p.m., the seat is to be vacated and that means that the college of cardinals should proceed to elect a new pope. as claudio said a moment ago, it is a surprise as to timing but not a surprise to fact. benedict xvith on several occasions and most recently in the book "light of the world" indicated if he ever came to the conscientious view that he couldn't give the church what the church deserved, then he would step out of the way. this is a man of real humility here, we have to s
paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith is a man of conscious. if you read the statement that he made today at the consistery he said he prayed over this and he had come to the view that he could no longer give the church the service it required and...
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he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i guess it's the moment the history, but also the sadness. i mean, this is a very bittersweet moment. >> well, it's -- it is. that's exactly the way to describe it. you know, it's interesting in st. peters square, they had the big jumbotrons out there, and people were gathered around and were actually silent in st. peters square watching what happened, and the last time i heard that kind of silence in st. peters square it was when they announced the death of john paul ii. you never heard a cell phone go off. you never heard anybody have a cell phone conversation, and on the in st. peters square where the he
he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i...
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paul ii. this is a man who throughout his life has drown huge crowds, people just want to be near him. i think in his time of death, really, his final days and hours, people want to come here to support him. we extend our sympathies at the loss of your good friend, pope john paul ii has died at the age of 84. the third longest serving pope in catholic church history. on the second day of the first conclave of the 21st century, the bell is tolling. the smoke is white. we have a new pope. there is not a person who is in that crowd of thousands of people in st. peter's square who is going to move. in fact, from our vantage point, we can see people streaming in to st. peter's square. they are coming from out of vatican offices. they are coming down from the main avenue that leads on to the square. and now the question is, who will be the new pope? and here comes the announcement of the new pope. let's listen. at the has taken the name of benedict. joseph, 78 years old. he just had a birthday. he j
paul ii. this is a man who throughout his life has drown huge crowds, people just want to be near him. i think in his time of death, really, his final days and hours, people want to come here to support him. we extend our sympathies at the loss of your good friend, pope john paul ii has died at the age of 84. the third longest serving pope in catholic church history. on the second day of the first conclave of the 21st century, the bell is tolling. the smoke is white. we have a new pope. there...
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paul ii. also with us father john walk, a professor at the university here in rome. good to see both of you. they are not supposed to po politic, but this is one of the most. blatant statements i have ever heard from a cardinal. what's going on? >> it would be strange if we were not thinking about who should be the next pope. pope benedict himself this morning asked us to pray for his successor. >> but to come out and say, kind of, i'd like to do it. >> it's a little odd, i agree. ardales in the conclave really should not be talking about the actual conclave itself. however, i think looking at the past two popes, two great surprises and two great popes. the race, we call it a race, is wide open. but ultimately, chris, we believe as roman catholics the holy spirit will make the final choice. you go in a pope and come out a cardinal. >> it's not always good to be the front runner. father, we do know that the cardinals have openly been talking about discussions in phone and person. i saw a huge n
paul ii. also with us father john walk, a professor at the university here in rome. good to see both of you. they are not supposed to po politic, but this is one of the most. blatant statements i have ever heard from a cardinal. what's going on? >> it would be strange if we were not thinking about who should be the next pope. pope benedict himself this morning asked us to pray for his successor. >> but to come out and say, kind of, i'd like to do it. >> it's a little odd, i...
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we saw pope john paul ii give the last great priestly example of his life by, in a sense, inviting the whole world, also during lent that year, to enter with him into the mystery of suffering transformed by faith, and we saw the result of that and this extraordinary outpouring of people who doubled the size of the city of rome for his funeral. this is different. this is a man leaving office while still alive. there's no funeral to put a period on the end of the pontificate. we are in completely uncharted waters. we talk about this not having happened in 600 years or 700 years. in fact, under these circumstances, a man in reasonably good health with his faculties intact, has never done this before. so for a church that lives by tradition, lives by a sense of we've been here before, this is quite different indeed. no one really knows what the effects of this will be. i don't have the slightest doubt that for benedict xvi, this was a final act of self abasement, humility. he really didn't think he could give the church what it needed, and that should be honored. the results of this, given
we saw pope john paul ii give the last great priestly example of his life by, in a sense, inviting the whole world, also during lent that year, to enter with him into the mystery of suffering transformed by faith, and we saw the result of that and this extraordinary outpouring of people who doubled the size of the city of rome for his funeral. this is different. this is a man leaving office while still alive. there's no funeral to put a period on the end of the pontificate. we are in completely...
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i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of things catholic in places like the united states, that is not the case in places like africa, latin, central america, central mexico. the activity has quite energized, so make a prediction that you'll see a greater voice of those communities, nigeria, brazil, mexico, because the catholic church and the conclave in particular has become more diversified over the years. don't forget john paul ii was the first known italian in 453 years, nobody ever believed that, so here we are 2013, and you might see a seismic change again. >> ray flynn, monsignor tom mcsweeny, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >
i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of...
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that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes at the white house. right away former white house communications director, speechwriter, don bair joining us next. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insuranc
that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on...
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of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure replaced by pope benedict who has had a very short tenure and now is stepping down in a way that a lot of popes don't step down before they die. >> short tenure, and it's going to be scrutinized for some of the issues you raised. to me now thinking forward, it's going to be a very big story for catholics and others around the world including the question of will it be another european? there's going to be pressure to look to another region of the country as there was last time. i think it may happen this time. >> it's interesting because we're getting
of course, pope john paul ii had been pope since 1979. and so, of course, his impact felt not only in the religious world but also the political world. pope benedict, though, never really, of course, given the chance to emerge from the shadows. and it seems that for a good bit of his time, he was dogged by allegations that came through the child abuse scandal throughout certainly before his reign. he was constantly being dogged by questions regarding that. but mark halperin, an iconic figure...
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paul ii's ilniz. and i think it's much more important to have a vital individual there to carry on as pope, so i think the pope made what i think will now be a precedent-setting decision. >> i think there's no doubt in that. with the advances in medical technology, if they could continue to essentially live out their lives as pope. so somebody we'll be discussing in the coming days. i want to switch gears and talk about the state of the union. glen rush from politico writing that it will be less of a olive branch. if that's the strategy, what do you think of it? do you think it's the time what most americans seen -- the time is right for the president to push hard? >> well, you know, they always ask the question, the state of the union is, fill in the blank. i think the state of the union is strong, but the state of economy is weak. we have too many people looking for jobs and too many people who have given up looking for jobs. he never menned -- so let's get together, put people back to work. he can
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following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he had to focus on the apology, the fact that he had actually met individually in his role as cardinal ratzinger investigating some of the problems of the abuse in the american church. >> he did go some way in terms of, you know, issuing an apology from the pope as a pretty lofty ideal, but, many of the, we still have a problem, many of the, worldwide with the sex scandal and the catholic church. they haven't addressed it at all levels. the vatican can pools. they can set lawsuits. there are a lot of damaged people out there who were basically abused as chi
following john paul ii. that was a hard act to follow. they were looking for an elderly pontiff who would not be in position for that long and also there was no way anybody was going to top john paul ii in terms of charisma, in reaching out to the young, and, unfortunately, they didn't get a salgzman for catholicism in this particular pope, which will be a very important ingredient for the next one. >> he also had the burdens of dealing with the scandals after 27 years of john paul ii. he...
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paul ii and that that whole scandal, the butlers leak, the controversy over whether or not coming to washington was really to remove a potential reformer. how much is the curia a problem here, and is that something that would be fixed with the next pope, or is this going to be a choice that doesn't really deal with that issue? >> andrea, i will tell you that every vatican watcher that i have spoken to has said the next pope has to come in and clean house in the curiate. they feel -- this is person after person that i have spoken to feels that the curia has really done a disservice to pope benedict xvi, and i think what was clear in that washington post article is that his butler gave those documents over to the investigative reporter here in italy not as a way to hurt pope benedict but, rather, to show all the infighting and betrayal that goes -- that has gone on in the curia and that was an impediment to the reforms that benedict tried to put in place. the big focus of his papacy has been the re-evangilization to get catholics particularly in western europe and in north america exci
paul ii and that that whole scandal, the butlers leak, the controversy over whether or not coming to washington was really to remove a potential reformer. how much is the curia a problem here, and is that something that would be fixed with the next pope, or is this going to be a choice that doesn't really deal with that issue? >> andrea, i will tell you that every vatican watcher that i have spoken to has said the next pope has to come in and clean house in the curiate. they feel -- this...
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he has decided to ab -- he was elevated to the papacy after the death of pope john paul ii. news of this is reverb rating around the country and around the world. nearly one quarter of the united states, 74 million americans, are catholic, and worldwide there are 1.1 billion members of the church. >> encompassing a range of issues from contraception to policy. the timing of the announcement comes as a surprise. just two days before ash wednesday, which marks the start of the lentin season, the holyist period on the catholic calendar. joining us from washington, the host of msnbc's "hardball" chris matthews, and contributor and washington post columnist e.j. deon. chris, my colleague, the light in the darkness on many things political. >> right. >> what do you make of this announcement coming as it does two days before ash wednesday? it seems like a major surprise. to what degree do you think the catholic church will seize on this as a moment to pivot? >> you may think so, but i don't think so. i don't think it's going to be a moment of pivot. i think it's probably planned. i
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in terms of pope most of the men that will vote for this pope have been selected by pope john paul ii or pope benedict xvi. it's not a real investment in our glory social justice in this church. i don't like to discount the holy spirit. >> can i ask you this question. if there are frustrations you have with the doctrine of the church, why do you stay in it? i'm always sort of interested in catholic reformers, people called to action a grouch folks trying to change the church direction from within it. the church is what is it. there's lots of -- you can be a unitarian. >> i went to yale divinity school with a ton of catholic students and faculty. that gave me time and years to figure out what i loved about the church. what hurts me about more traditional catholics that claim to love the church they have this view of catholicism that says it comes down what you believe about sexual morality where the beauty of this is is a kextra -- sacramental theology. this is what makes the church beautiful. that catholic imagination that we have. that really sue knick about the tradition. >> if you
in terms of pope most of the men that will vote for this pope have been selected by pope john paul ii or pope benedict xvi. it's not a real investment in our glory social justice in this church. i don't like to discount the holy spirit. >> can i ask you this question. if there are frustrations you have with the doctrine of the church, why do you stay in it? i'm always sort of interested in catholic reformers, people called to action a grouch folks trying to change the church direction...
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and are we at a moment to acknowledge a vatican ii moment, and john paul moment? >> well, the history of the cardinals is like the lightning that stroke the dome a few hours after the pope benedict resigned. anything is possible, but if we could retreat to the essence of pope john the xxiiird who inish y -- initiated the last vatican counsel which so many are not happy with, and we could go back to the people of god and inviting everyone to look to the levels of the signs of the times that is asked by the matthew gospel and point to the needs of the people longing, and longing to know jesus and feel the loving merciless presence in their lives through the understanding of the sufferings they endure and the help they need. >> this question of sufferings, and i want to talk after we come back from the break, we want to talk about this, but this is ben ticket of two minds and on the one hand, incredible writings about inequality and poverty and even being to the left of anybody in the u.s. on redistribution, but this legacy of child sex abuse. >> he is progressive ab
and are we at a moment to acknowledge a vatican ii moment, and john paul moment? >> well, the history of the cardinals is like the lightning that stroke the dome a few hours after the pope benedict resigned. anything is possible, but if we could retreat to the essence of pope john the xxiiird who inish y -- initiated the last vatican counsel which so many are not happy with, and we could go back to the people of god and inviting everyone to look to the levels of the signs of the times...
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. >> no, we got to go to rome all the time and got to meet the pope, then john paul ii. my murtha found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> somebody said the most modernizing thing this pope did was retire. to get out of the way. could it be in this modern age that a pope can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24-7 news cycle. are we moving beyond the days? >> that's not necessarily true. john paul felt strongly he wanted the world to see him in a sickened state. that was humanity. he was setting an example of someone who was frail and feeble and carrying on. i think this pope decided to set a different example and we will see what it means. does it mean future popes have to be pushed out and has influence after a new pope is named? nobody knows. we are in uncharted waters here. >> michael duffy will write the pope's club now. a retired pope. >> different hide aways. >> the nuns will get better food and that will work for them. >> let's talk about the state of the union address and never really need
. >> no, we got to go to rome all the time and got to meet the pope, then john paul ii. my murtha found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> somebody said the most modernizing thing this pope did was retire. to get out of the way. could it be in this modern age that a pope can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24-7 news cycle. are we moving beyond the days? >> that's not necessarily true. john...